European GI
Users Meeting 28 May 1996
Meeting Report (Final)
Table of contents
Introduction Meeting Introduction Input from Participants Meeting Conclusion
The GI (Geographic Information) USERs meeting was convened by DG XIII/E.3
on 28 May 1996 as part of the wider consultation process regarding the
development of the document "GI2000:
Towards a European Policy Framework for Geographic Information";.
Annex A contains the draft agenda and some notes on key points to be considered.
The list of companies invited is contained in Annex B, which also shows those
who actually attended.
The latest version of the GI2000 Policy Document,
dated 31 December 1995, was distributed at the meeting, as amended by
M Littlejohn of DG XIII/E and R Longhorn, external expert in GI, specifically
to take account of comments from the previous meeting with the
Commercial GI Data Providers (held 28 November
1995). This document is available separately and can be accessed on the I'M
Europe Web site.
The meeting was opened and chaired by Mr. Martin Littlejohn, DG XIII/E.3,
who also used this opportunity to provide a progress report on the
INFO2000 Programme , which was approved
by Council on 20 May 1996. It is under INFO2000 that certain specific actions
relating to further development of GI content in Europe will take place,
following a Call for Proposals expected to be launched mid-June 1996.
Mr Littlejohn (ML) called the meeting to order at 1400h, welcomed the
participants, and made a short introduction placing DG XIII/E's GI
initiatives in context regarding the information market activities of the
Commission. He then provided an overview of the
INFO2000 programme, preparatory work
for the 5th Framework Programme, and presented the main objectives of the
meeting in regard to GI2000. R Longhorn presented proposed "key
issues" of potential concern to the European GI User community with
regard to GI2000, which were offered for further discussion by the group.
(See Annex C).
A questionnaire was distributed by R Longhorn, a copy of which appears in
Annex D, along with a short analysis of results obtained from answers to
the questionnaire.
A tour de table followed during which all participants were requested
to make short statements regarding their key concerns as GI Users and/or
representatives of GI Users in Europe. Following a short coffee break
mid-afternoon, and summary of main issues raised at that point, discussion
resumed on the major issues until the close of the meeting at 1755h.
Rather than report what each individual said, this report contains a summary
of all issues raised or main comments made on the principal themes. These
are listed in no specific priority order.
Metadata and metadata services.
- Metadata services and metadata standards are a key issue to users of GI,
in agreement with similar strong feelings on this issue from the commercial
GI data providers meeting.
- Some level of metadata or metadata services should be available freely, yet
others should be chargeable, as services.
- GI metadata is definitely needed, but at a level (or levels) yet to be
determined. Comments included "there are already too many metadata services,
of too many varieties, with too little standardisation and too little commonality
across services." This is becoming very confusing to the end user, whether
experienced or naive. Metadata services/systems must be easy to use in the
first instance (level of data presented, method of presentation and selection,
breadth of coverage, etc.). More detailed metadata can then be found by
contacting GI providers directly as a result of using the contact details
held in the metadata. Some GI metadata may need to be simplistic, shallow
in detail yet with wide breadth of coverage, while other metadata needs to
be detailed and/or perhaps even oriented towards specific subject niches.
Pan-European Datasets / Base Data.
- There is a real need to invest much more in developing the European GI datasets
and/or a meaningful set of "base data". The possibilities opening
up as a result of forthcoming high resolution remote sensing data must be
carefully considered in relation to potential cost of collecting and maintaining
European-wide "base data".
- The data in this pan-European GI data collection will probably need to be
sold at some level of cost, as opposed to being made available free. The
meeting was divided as to whether this should be a purely nominal cost (cost
of recovery, as in the USA model) or at some cost relating to the value of
the data to the purchaser or end-user.
- Transparency in pan-European GI datasets is as important within a country
as it is across the pan-European boundaries.
- The "European" area needs proper definition in regard to
"pan-European GI base data", for example, ocean regions cannot
be ignored (especially the North Atlantic, where major issues of minerals,
sea bed and fisheries exploitation are still being resolved). Also, since
it is already the stated commitment of the EU to bring additional East and
Central European states (including the Baltic states of Latvia, Lithuania
and Estonia) into the association over the next decade or more, these areas,
too, should be covered. A case can be made that GI for these areas may be
even more important now than in the future, as decisions governing large
sums of aid and development funding are being made which need better analysis
and monitoring capabilities.
Availability of GI.
- More database services are needed, from which potential users can select
GI for own purposes. Techniques are needed to help make re-use of GI (for
purposes other than that for which it was originally collected) both possible
and easier.
- The bulk of high resolution data (large scale) is held at government level
and the EU's role should be to help release such data for more general
consumption, tackling all the many issues this may involve (monopoly control,
pricing, guaranteed access, liability, guaranteeing personal privacy, etc.).
Legal issues.
- GI does have special legal implications above and beyond those of other forms
of multimedia. GI is very expensive to collect, maintain and sell, and therefore
deserves separate consideration in regard to protection of IPR. Misuse of
GI, or use of "faulty" GI (i.e. either bad data or data used for
purposes other than those for which it was collected and sold) can lead to
dangerous and expensive mistakes or decisions, e.g. in road navigation for
emergency services, decisions on where to locate large industrial or commercial
complexes, etc.
Interoperability and Standards.
- Interoperability and integration are important to users, especially new GI
users. Guidelines are needed, even now, stating what are the risks and benefits
for acquiring strictly proprietary systems versus fully interoperable systems,
especially for naive users. However, the whole question of interoperability
seems to be one which may not be resolved in less than several years time
(according to OGC and others who are working in this area). In the meantime,
how can users get practical, useful assistance in regard to integrating data
("GI-to-GI" and "non-GI-to-GI") across multiple software
platforms (GIS versus desktop office programmes) and across media/dissemination
technologies (disk, CD-ROM, networks, the Web,...).
- Standardisation is still to be resolved. There are at least 24
"standards" now in use globally for GI and GIS, not including
proprietary data formats of major GIS vendors. Add to this list the 26
"standards" in use for interchange of vector and raster graphics,
and the poor end-user, especially the "first time" user, is completely
lost! Even within specific industries, i.e. water supply, gas supply or
telecommunications, single industries across Europe do not apply the same
standards.
- The position on standards is still not clear, i.e. as to what is needed,
what is possible, what is practicable. Many (most?) users are not interested
in standards per se, but rather in getting their new spatial analysis
systems in place. They find the whole standards debate boring and not relevant,
since they have applications that need implementing today, not in five years
time when perhaps the relevant standard will have been agreed.
Public/Private Synergy.
- The meeting generated a plea for greater public/private synergy in regard
to collection and dissemination of GI, not just "traditional" large
government data holders, such as National Mapping Agencies, but from local
and regional government (cadastral data) and large "semi-government"
organisations (in many countries), such as telecommunications, water, electricity
and other network operators (who often hold vast volumes of GI).
- Unfortunately, altering the current public/private situation will require
a major change in the culture of many government organisations, including
(perhaps) changes in their legal mandates to provide data to the public.
A culture of "cooperation" needs to be engendered, from the highest
levels on down. This will all take time and strong political will at national,
local and regional government level. In this context one must also consider
that an archive needs to be maintained to retain change information.
- Current restrictions on use of government held and collected GI must be lifted,
across various types of GI, or at the very least clearly stated, so that
the access, use and re-use issues can be openly debated and resolved. This
will probably happen at national level due to differences still existing
at national level across the EU in regard to dissemination policies, privacy
legislation, etc.
- Even "negotiated" agreements between government data holders and
large user associations do not always work (UK local government agreement
with OS GB for basic "maps" was a good example of the value of
such agreements, while other participants pointed out that similar agreements
relating to cadastral and utilities information in other EU member states
had not proven to be satisfactory).
- A clash in "accounting cultures" often seems to lead to inability
of the government data holder to understand the needs of the non-government
data user. This needs to be examined, specifically in relation to GI.
- It is time to face the public/private synergy "problem" specifically
in regard to GI openly and with the goal of achieving some form of common
agreement, across Member States, within a stated time period. To do this,
more investigation is needed into the actual position today of public/private
synergy (or lack thereof) in regard to GI provision and use.
Marine GI is important, too!
- We seem to have missed the importance of the marine side of the GI world
in the current (and earlier) versions of the GI2000 document. We must/should
add something more specific about the peculiar problems of marine-related
GI, i.e. it is inherently cross-border, as marine related applications or
problems often touch many national borders (coastlines). As for liability
issues, advent of electronic chart systems is totally GI focused and first
court cases on liability over supply of "bad" data have already
occurred (and been won against the chart supplier!).
Economics of GI.
- There is too little knowledge of the economics of GI, i.e. not enough hard
information on payback periods, rate of return on investment, etc. and too
few models which can be used to highlight other, often non-economic benefits
of, for example, GI used for environmental monitoring, urban and regional
planning, etc. Many large commercial organisations have recently stopped
GIS projects because of lack of such justification data and this is having
an adverse effect on whole industries. (Another cause of this is that too
little awareness of GI and its benefits exists at higher echelons in industry).
- Cost recovery models are not even the same across Europe. For example, OS
GB (reportedly) assigns zero economic value to its current database, which
was built up historically over a long period of time. Such cost will almost
certainly never be fully recovered and the data was never collected with
that aim in mind. However, OS GB must assign a cost to on-going data collection,
maintenance and dissemination to a wide range of customers and customer types.
Yet in the German context, such a high value has been put on the existing
GI databases that "many local governments cannot even participate"
in the use and exploitation of these datasets.
- The opinion was expressed that the full economics of collecting and maintaining
very large databases (typical for GI) is still not fully understood nor is
the very high cost recognised, and may even be prohibitive, in relation to
national collections of GI, if you tried to implement full cost recovery.
Yet there are normally other reasons for collecting and maintaining such
huge datasets which may not even have an obvious economic benefit.
- Getting to the "real end users of GI" is very difficult, since
they now appear in all walks of life, all sectors of business and industry,
and approach the use of GI from very different perspectives as to content
of their GI, cost, method of use, expectations, need for accuracy and precision,
timeliness, maintainability of key GI datasets over long(er) periods of time,
etc.
Removing barriers / creating guidelines.
- A "stick and carrot" approach may be necessary, in which, for example,
monopolistic practices controlling data (whether government or private) is
ended, "bad" practice is identified (and punished, somehow?) and
"good" practice is highlighted and encouraged or rewarded. For
example, monopoly control of a major data source is not inherently
"bad" if adequate and acceptable access mechanisms exist (price,
availability, use/re-use provisions, etc.). In the UK, The National Pricing
Discrimination Policy does work (according to the participant who mentioned
this!) but this is not a "unified price list".
- So, do we in Europe need national "guidelines" and price lists
for GI? Do these need to be "harmonised" across national boundaries
in order to help users focus on cross-border issues requiring spatial analysis?
If we had these, how much would they impact the market for GI in Europe?
- A "guideline" on access or pricing is one thing, the actual procedures
and/or prices put in place by data holders can often be something else. The
data holder thinks they are following the "guideline" but this
is disputed by the potential buyer/user. For example, different
"guidelines" exist regarding "cost of distribution",
"cost recovery", "cost based on perceived value to the
purchaser", etc. So there is not even a single "guideline"
principle at stake here, but a range of types of guidelines.
Role of the EU and the GI2000 document.
- EU has to demonstrate that it can remove barriers for GI, such as monopoly
control practices, as it has done, or is trying to do, in telecommunications,
electricity supply, etc.
- We need better vision as to how a wide range of activities can be assisted
using GI, GIS technology and spatial analysis techniques, i.e. in social,
economic and cultural areas of life.
- EU should help to raise awareness of GI issues at both national Member State
government level, but also across groups of users and potential users.
Mr Littlejohn concluded the meeting at 1755h following a brief summary of
key issues, as follows:
- Metadata was very important, if not yet well understood and/or implemented.
- Access to data is key, including cost guidelines, copyright issues, guidelines
on use and/or re-use of GI, etc.
- Commitment to creating and maintaining pan-European base data is necessary,
at EU, Member State government and private industry levels. We must
"properly specify" the content for "pan-European base data",
not forgetting specific requirements such as marine information.
- EC should support liberalisation of the GI data marketplace, in the same
way that it is pushing for deregulation in telecomms and other network services.
- GI standards are important, but confusing to users, many of whom cannot wait
for standards to be developed, but must get on with their applications using
whatever is readily available.
- Public/private synergy is a key issue, especially in the area of GI, as so
much GI is held by government agencies. A new "culture of cooperation"
needs to be fostered between government and private industry/users in regard
to GI, but this will take a long time and further efforts to make it happen,
possibly spurred on by EU-level actions.
The participants were informed that the GI2000 consultation process would
continue with a further meeting scheduled the next day with GI Vendors, to
be followed by a meeting with the GI R&D community
on 20 June.
- Further revisions to the GI2000 Policy
Document will be made and will be available via the I'M EUROPE World
Wide Web site.
- The GI2000 document would eventually become a Communication to Council and
the Parliament covering the main issues set forth in the current document,
as revised following the final two meetings in the consultation process.
- The INFO2000 programme first Call for
Proposals would be announced mid-June and participants were encouraged
to make proposals, especially in regard to GI under Action Line 3.1.
Because it is very difficult to actually identify and approach individual
"GI users", participants were encouraged to spread the word about
GI2000 and INFO2000 via their associations, Member State national GI programmes,
and other venues. Political awareness must be raised at the level of individual
Member State governments, a role in which they could certainly provide valuable
support for Commission initiatives.
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